Gantry squaring - purely manual or CNC12-assisted?

All things related to the Centroid Acorn CNC Controller

Moderator: cnckeith

ShawnM
Community Expert
Posts: 3049
Joined: Fri May 24, 2019 8:34 am
Acorn CNC Controller: Yes
Plasma CNC Controller: No
AcornSix CNC Controller: No
Allin1DC CNC Controller: No
Hickory CNC Controller: No
Oak CNC controller: No
CNC Control System Serial Number: 7804734C6498-0401191832
DC3IOB: No
CNC12: Yes
CNC11: No
CPU10 or CPU7: No
Location: Clearwater, FL

Re: Gantry squaring - purely manual or CNC12-assisted?

Post by ShawnM »

kb58 wrote: Fri Dec 01, 2023 1:23 pm I mean that if the router is repeatedly power-cycled, and if each time the servos shift position slightly, it means that over time, those slight offsets (if in different directions) could add up and become a problem. It's just a theory and is untested.
Anytime you power cycle the machine you HAVE to re-home it, however it is you do that, manually, automatically or auto-squaring. So I'm confused as to how you are even using the machine without re-homing it and/or worried it's out of square. It shouldn't matter if a stepper or servo jumps a few thou to a detent at power up. You're gonna home it and square it BEFORE you use it, no?

Again, my Clearpath power up disabled and I can grab any axis any manually drag it BEFORE I press the cycle start button to have Acorn home the machine to my home switches.

As Gary stated, there's no substitute for a rigid machine.


kb58
Posts: 180
Joined: Tue Jul 11, 2023 12:25 am
Acorn CNC Controller: Yes
Plasma CNC Controller: No
AcornSix CNC Controller: No
Allin1DC CNC Controller: No
Hickory CNC Controller: No
Oak CNC controller: No
CNC Control System Serial Number: none
DC3IOB: No
CNC12: Yes
CNC11: No
CPU10 or CPU7: No
Location: San Diego CA

Re: Gantry squaring - purely manual or CNC12-assisted?

Post by kb58 »

We're in complete agreement. My point is that even if we have a completely rigid machine, the servos jumping at power up is a problem. If it doesn't skew the gantry, they'll be consuming excess power trying to drive to their skewed position. If the gantry is homed via hitting one home switch and calling it good, that's not good enough because they're still trying to drive to different positions due to the power-up jumping.
Previous hobby, building hard core sports cars. See http://midlana.com/ and http://kimini.com/


kb58
Posts: 180
Joined: Tue Jul 11, 2023 12:25 am
Acorn CNC Controller: Yes
Plasma CNC Controller: No
AcornSix CNC Controller: No
Allin1DC CNC Controller: No
Hickory CNC Controller: No
Oak CNC controller: No
CNC Control System Serial Number: none
DC3IOB: No
CNC12: Yes
CNC11: No
CPU10 or CPU7: No
Location: San Diego CA

Re: Gantry squaring - purely manual or CNC12-assisted?

Post by kb58 »

The difference in how we're looking at this is that you're saying a stiff gantry is always square. I'm not arguing that, I'm saying that if it's homed using only one switch on one side - calling it "homed" based on the first switch it reaches - the two servos will end up fighting each other, trying to get to where differing positions at power up.
Last edited by kb58 on Mon Dec 04, 2023 5:09 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Previous hobby, building hard core sports cars. See http://midlana.com/ and http://kimini.com/


kb58
Posts: 180
Joined: Tue Jul 11, 2023 12:25 am
Acorn CNC Controller: Yes
Plasma CNC Controller: No
AcornSix CNC Controller: No
Allin1DC CNC Controller: No
Hickory CNC Controller: No
Oak CNC controller: No
CNC Control System Serial Number: none
DC3IOB: No
CNC12: Yes
CNC11: No
CPU10 or CPU7: No
Location: San Diego CA

Re: Gantry squaring - purely manual or CNC12-assisted?

Post by kb58 »

So my gantry issues appear to be solved. I stand my my theory that any gantry-style machine using two servos will have issues unless some sort alignment is done at each power up - handling each end of the gantry separately. Even an infinitely stiff gantry will eventually have problems in the form of overheated servos due to them fighting the shifted positions, which can become increasingly large over time.
Previous hobby, building hard core sports cars. See http://midlana.com/ and http://kimini.com/


Post Reply