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Sewing machine type motor/controller as a spindle motor with Acorn

Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2025 3:31 pm
by handymancanfixit
I have seen a lot of questions regarding the use of sewing machine type motor/controller setups as a spindle motor, controlled by Acorn. I have a WEN 33013 mini mill that I bought used and I bought a CNC conversion package off the internet. I bought this spindle motor setup from Dan at The Custom Crafter.
https://www.servomotorkit.com/product-p ... pgrade-kit
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Attached are the pinouts for the controller and how I connected them to Acorn. The Spindle ON/FWD on my control must be ON in order for the spindle to start in Forward, or for the spindle to run in Reverse, that is why the spindle Forward signal is jumpered to both the NC and NO positions on the spindle forward Relay. The spindle will not start unless it receives a voltage signal from Acorn, either in Manual mode or Automatic mode.
Spindle Motor Connections.pdf
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Re: Sewing machine type motor/controller as a spindle motor with Acorn

Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2025 4:56 pm
by ShawnM
Do yourself a HUGE favor and return that kit. Buy a simple servo motor/driver combo. You'll spend half what you did on that kit and have a better mouse trap. Some are using the 1000 watt A6 servo drive from Stepper Online and that runs about $200.

Re: Sewing machine type motor/controller as a spindle motor with Acorn

Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2025 5:21 pm
by cnckeith
if you want go this route there are lots of BLDC motor/drive combinations out there that accept PWM which Acorn can output for programmable spindle speed

and don't use a timing belt for a spindle motor drive unless you want to go deaf.
multi vee or micro vee is the preferred drive belt.

Re: Sewing machine type motor/controller as a spindle motor with Acorn

Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2025 5:39 pm
by suntravel
cnckeith wrote: Mon Feb 24, 2025 5:21 pm ....

and don't use a timing belt for a spindle motor drive unless you want to go deaf.
multi vee or micro vee is the preferred drive belt.
What did you say ?

Pls. speak louder :mrgreen:

Uwe

Re: Sewing machine type motor/controller as a spindle motor with Acorn

Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2025 12:39 pm
by handymancanfixit
Thanks for all the input/feedback. It's not really loud with no load, maybe it will be louder when cutting, but for now I'm going to run it.

Re: Sewing machine type motor/controller as a spindle motor with Acorn

Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2025 12:41 pm
by handymancanfixit
ShawnM wrote: Mon Feb 24, 2025 4:56 pm Do yourself a HUGE favor and return that kit. Buy a simple servo motor/driver combo. You'll spend half what you did on that kit and have a better mouse trap. Some are using the 1000 watt A6 servo drive from Stepper Online and that runs about $200.
Thanks Shawn,

I saw those on Stepper Online but only saw 240V. Also, what drive system would I use with that, belt, gears?

Thanks
Derrick

Re: Sewing machine type motor/controller as a spindle motor with Acorn

Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2025 1:16 pm
by suntravel
handymancanfixit wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2025 12:39 pm Thanks for all the input/feedback. It's not really loud with no load, maybe it will be louder when cutting, but for now I'm going to run it.
I am using HTD belts for my spindles also. IMHO they are not that loud, but make a rigid connection with low tension (low radial bearing load).

Uwe

Re: Sewing machine type motor/controller as a spindle motor with Acorn

Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2025 1:48 pm
by ShawnM
handymancanfixit wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2025 12:41 pm
ShawnM wrote: Mon Feb 24, 2025 4:56 pm Do yourself a HUGE favor and return that kit. Buy a simple servo motor/driver combo. You'll spend half what you did on that kit and have a better mouse trap. Some are using the 1000 watt A6 servo drive from Stepper Online and that runs about $200.
Thanks Shawn,

I saw those on Stepper Online but only saw 240V. Also, what drive system would I use with that, belt, gears?

Thanks
Derrick
I also use HTD tooth belts for all my belt drive reductions. The rubber belts are quieter but I use the poly belts. The poly belts are far better belts in several ways but they are noisier than its rubber equivalent. That said, you can't hear the difference when the machine is running. :D

Re: Sewing machine type motor/controller as a spindle motor with Acorn

Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2025 4:13 pm
by handymancanfixit
ShawnM wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2025 1:48 pm
handymancanfixit wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2025 12:41 pm
ShawnM wrote: Mon Feb 24, 2025 4:56 pm Do yourself a HUGE favor and return that kit. Buy a simple servo motor/driver combo. You'll spend half what you did on that kit and have a better mouse trap. Some are using the 1000 watt A6 servo drive from Stepper Online and that runs about $200.
Thanks Shawn,

I saw those on Stepper Online but only saw 240V. Also, what drive system would I use with that, belt, gears?

Thanks
Derrick
I also use HTD tooth belts for all my belt drive reductions. The rubber belts are quieter but I use the poly belts. The poly belts are far better belts in several ways but they are noisier than its rubber equivalent. That said, you can't hear the difference when the machine is running. :D
Are you using a 240V servo and drive?

Re: Sewing machine type motor/controller as a spindle motor with Acorn

Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2025 4:25 pm
by suntravel
Jep JMC AC Servos 1.5 kw on mill and lathe for spindle drive.

Uwe