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Re: shoptask turnado lathe to acorn

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brittfussel wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2019 5:41 pm June 7, 2019

Kevin
brittfussel wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2019 4:59 pm With the Acorn board you might be able to do this with the Stepper Motors switch. Turning the Stepper Motors switch off should disable the G540 releasing the stepper motors (so you can turn the hand wheels) but not trigger an e-stop to the Acorn board. I will try this on mine and see what happens. I'll get back to you with my findings.
My experiment failed. When I turned off the stepper motors it triggered a fault on the Acorn board and shut down the spindle. Oh well. I had to try it.


Britt
Hmm interesting. Ya the way it ships, it should work "manually" by turning the steppers off and using hand wheels and dro.

But if that wont work with acorn, it seems the mode switch and stepper switch could both go?? That would leave cnc power, spindle power and estop.
brittfussel wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2019 5:41 pm The 48 volt power supply that came with your Turnado is what powers the stepper motors through the G540.
Ahh yes, that makes sense!!
EDIT:
Actually, it still doesnt make sense to me. My N3 wire and L3 wire from the 48v power supply never make it to my stepper motor switch. I do have a 0v line going from the 48v power supply to the stepper motor switch which goes to pin 10 on the g540??

I feel I need to rip all the switch wiring out and re-do that part from scratch.
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Re: shoptask turnado lathe to acorn

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June 7, 2019

Kevin
KevinTaylor wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2019 5:54 pm Hmm interesting. Ya the way it ships, it should work "manually" by turning the steppers off and using hand wheels and dro.
Mine would not work that way. If I turned off the Stepper Motors switch or the CNC Power switch, Mach3 and Mach4 would issue a fault and shut down. To use the hand wheels manually I had to reprogram the VFD to manual control (required changing two parameters). I may continue to study this as there are times when I want to manually machine something and it would be nice to control the spindle with software and the axis by hand. As it is now I manually step the axis with the x+, X-, etc. buttons or move an axis with the MDI. Tedious but it works. With the MDI it forces me to think in G-Code (G1 versus G0, G90, G91 and F) as it is critical to keep from crashing a tool and ruining a part.
KevinTaylor wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2019 5:54 pm Actually, it still doesnt make sense to me. My N3 wire and L3 wire from the 48v power supply never make it to my stepper motor switch. I do have a 0v line going from the 48v power supply to the stepper motor switch which goes to pin 10 on the g540??
The L3 and N3 wires do not need to go through the Stepper Motors switch. To operate the steppers takes both switches - one to power the stepper power supply (the CNC Power switch) and one to set the e-stop function in the G540 (the Stepper Motors switch). You could probably eliminate the CNC Power switch and power the stepper power supply from the Spindle Power switch. You could probably eliminate the Stepper Motors switch by controlling the e-stop function of the G540 by the e-stop switch. I plan to leave both of mine in place and doing their respective functions.

Let me know if you have any additional questions.


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Re: shoptask turnado lathe to acorn

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Britt,

I have taken my time and re-read through all your ABSOLUTELY GREAT POSTS (THANK YOU!!!)

I have now got it figured out. (I like doing things the hard way).

My main problem is I kept thinking of my switches as NO/NC. When I knew They were NO/NO switches. (I confused myself here)

My power is going into the estop switch L and N

From there power is going to the spindle power switch L1 and N1
-My spindle power switch then sends power to VFD R and S
-Spindle power switch also powers 1 leg to cnc power switch N1 send other leg (L1) to my lathe/mill mode switch

The one leg going to my lathe/mill mode switch then goes to the ac contactor (L2)
-The ac contactor then sends L2 to N1 to the cnc power switch ( The other leg of power is going to my cnc power switch is L1 from my spindle power switch)

Cnc power switch then powers my 48v power supply.

I can get rid of the mode switch by taking L1 from my spindle power switch directly to L2 on the ac contactor. Everything else on the mode switch isnt needed.

I can free up my estop switch by taking the power in L and N directly to the spindle power switch. This will allow me to wire my estop like in your diagram with the acorn board.

I can hook up the acorn power supply to cnc power switch N3 and L3 on the cnc power switch

:o
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Re: shoptask turnado lathe to acorn

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Well Im here to make an update.

I need some help with the last bit of wiring to my vfd.

First I'd like to show some of the things I did to get this finished. Mostly to make sure this thread gets finished off and shows how I went about getting this done for any future internet searchers with the same lathe and would like to switch to acorn as well.

I think for someone who doesnt know what they are doing here and has never done anything like this, I did a decent job...(my opinion).

So I re-wired the front control panel. After a lot of thought, all that was really needed was a estop switch, machine power on switch and a "cnc mode" and "manual mode" switch. There was a lot of room left on the control panel becuase I got rid of all the other switches so I also put in a Voltage Amperage Power Energy Meter. This one to be exact incase anyone wants one. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B014W ... UTF8&psc=1 also used green led lights to show power on or "mode".

Inorder to keep manual operations for my machine, I added a second vfd and a manual control panel. When the machine is in manual mode, one vfd is getting power, the second is not. I also added a second AC contractor for this. Same vfd that came with the machine off ebay for about $80 and same ac contactor also off ebay for around $15.

The manual control panel has a 1k potentiometer, a 12v tach, estop button, start button, stop button and a forward and revers switch.
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When the "mode" switch is in the manual position it turns all power off to the vfd, gecko g540, 48v power supply and all acorn components.

When the "mode" switch is in cnc mode, it shuts off power to all the manual control components and turns on all the cnc components...simple enough I suppose.
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To add a second vfd and the acorn, I had to add some electronics boxes to hold them as there was no room for them in the lathe. I used shielded cable, sjoow for power and cable glands. Its not pretty, but I think it should function just fine.

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To make things a little easier I also made the cover panel on the lathe act like a door by adding a piano hinge. Just drilled and tapped the holes.

For the omron spindle encoder I did a "jack-shaft" like setup. It has ball bearings and the "axle" with lock collars and then the encoder screws on to one side with the mounting holes on the encoder. I 3dprinted the jackshaft stand had planned on replacing it with one machined from aluminum, but its very strong, I'll pry stay with it for now.
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My manual control has a tachometer so I know spindle speed. So I also had to add a tachometer sensor.
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I have all the manual portion of the machine wired. I havent tested it or programed the vfd yet. I am going to wait for all of it to be done.

I have most all the cnc side of the lathe finished as well. All I have left is to wire the home switches and wires from the relay board and acorn board to the vfd.

I think that pretty much sums up where I am at. Just wanted to add all that so it didnt look like this thread just ended abruptly. And if any future searchers find this and need any other info, they can PM me.


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Anyway I am kinda not sure how to wire this last bit up.

From the relay board there is a vfd common going to the vfd. I am pretty sure this goes to com on the vfd???
From the realy board there is a spin forward going to the vfd. I am going to put this on DI1.
From the relay board there is a spin reverse going to the vfd. I am going to put this on DI2.
From the real board there is a vfd rest going to the vfd. I think this should go to DI3. (function code p4-02 #9 pg #69 in manual)?????

From the acorn board there is AN GND going to the vfd. This is going to GND on the vfd.
From the acorn board there is AN OUT going to the vfd. This is going to AI1 on the vfd.
From the acorn board there is a spindle ok going to the vfd. It seems this needs to go to an output on the vfd??? Possibly DO1(function code p5-04 #15 pg #74)???? I have no idea.
From the acorn board there is COM going to the vfd. Does this also get put on the COM on the vfd?? Im not sure. Does this also need to be an output from the vfd?
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Is this correct and can anyone help with the wires I am unsure about?? I attached the vfd manual.

All the wiring should be done after this. All I would need to do is program the vfd settings and run through the acorn wizard.
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Re: shoptask turnado lathe to acorn

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Look up the multifunction output in your VFD manual. Its programmable. Usually they default to "FAULT". Generally they are using RA, RB, RC
You have to figure out which "R" terminal is the common and when in the VFD is in Normal Operation, which "R" terminal is the closed.
So when the VFD faults or is off the the contacts are OPEN and will provide the signal to the Acorn input you chose for Spindle OK
You need Acorn COM for the common "Wiper" terminal of the multifunction output relay to be able to activate the Acorn input.
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Re: shoptask turnado lathe to acorn

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I finally got all the wiring finished up and was able to turn the machine on for the first time!! All I need to do now is program my vfds and set up cnc12 :D

I wasnt able to figure out the vfd that came with the machine, so I got a huanyang vfd.

I would like to verify some things.

I found some threads in this forum from searching. I came across a post by Marty saying that the wiring schematic for the huanyang vfd was wrong and that "spindle ok" should be wired to "FC" on the vfd and not "FA". I wired everything else as in the schematic except for I moved "spindle ok" to "FC" on the vfd. Is this correct? I also came across Marty's base settings pdf sheet in that same thread. So I am going to use those to start.

I feel like I am starting to get close to being up and running!
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Re: shoptask turnado lathe to acorn

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Generally, you might benchtest the VFD first before connecting to ACORN.
My lastest notes attached for the Huan Yang VFD
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Re: shoptask turnado lathe to acorn

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I now have my machine working with cnc12.
Both my x and z axis move with the axis motion controls.
in mdi mode a a m3.s500 will turn the spindle on and m5 will stop it.
home switches work
estop is good.....

Basically everything "seems" good. I am now trying to set my revs per inch like in the video and do my spindle speed calibration. But when I try to do a g1x1f10 in mdi nothing happens. No movement at all. What am I doing wrong?
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Re: shoptask turnado lathe to acorn

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KevinTaylor wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:48 pm I now have my machine working with cnc12.
Both my x and z axis move with the axis motion controls.
in mdi mode a a m3.s500 will turn the spindle on and m5 will stop it.
home switches work
estop is good.....

Basically everything "seems" good. I am now trying to set my revs per inch like in the video and do my spindle speed calibration. But when I try to do a g1x1f10 in mdi nothing happens. No movement at all. What am I doing wrong?
Look in the lathe manual
Please take a look at the lathe manual:
https://www.centroidcnc.com/centroid_di ... -v4.14.pdf
Specifically: 10.33 & 10.34 G98(Feed per minute) & G99 (Feed per spindle revolution)

I bet your spindle isn't turning?
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Re: shoptask turnado lathe to acorn

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martyscncgarage wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2019 4:40 pm
Look in the lathe manual
Please take a look at the lathe manual:
https://www.centroidcnc.com/centroid_di ... -v4.14.pdf
Specifically: 10.33 & 10.34 G98(Feed per minute) & G99 (Feed per spindle revolution)

I bet your spindle isn't turning?
Marty
I looked in the manual. 10.33 says feed per minute-> g98 sets the cutting feedrate mode in units/miunte. There are no associated parameters.

10.34 says feed per revolution-> g99 sets the cutting feedrate mode in units/rev. There are no associated parameters.

I dont know gcode. Are you saying I need to input a g98 and g99 before I can run g1x1f10? I didnt see you do that in your video . This is the video I refer to: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3SSgb_FnDA.

When You say "I bet your spindle isnt turning?", what exactly do you mean? I can turn it on in mdi with a m3 command. I can also turn it on in the virtual panel.
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