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Re: F1410HS CNC Project with Acorn
Posted: Sun May 10, 2020 9:17 am
by martyscncgarage
Thanks for the video link. I watched some of it. (NOT ALL OF IT)
Why would you discount a schematic that Centroid created specific to their controllers and machine motion control? Centroid builds control cabinets.
Its all layed out for you...there are several things I disagree with on the video.
- The need for two incoming circuits
The use of one 24VDC power supply
I didn't see fusing or breakers
ONE circuit should be enough. Use breakers or fuses to break it out to the control side and Spindle drive side
Use the Logic Power supply that comes with Acorn FOR Acorn.
I suggest using a separate power supply for contactors, solenoids etc.
I agree with taking ALL grounds and shield drains to ONE point
Centroid already worked most of this out in their system schematics. Have them printed at your office supply store full size and study them.
I follow their schematics in general for my builds. You must know an E.E. or electrical buddy...you might need someone to lean on. We can help, but post pictures and give lots of information. Vague information gets vague answers.
Good luck with your project!
Marty
Re: F1410HS CNC Project with Acorn
Posted: Sun May 10, 2020 12:16 pm
by Black Forest
If you need any help with translating the German manuals for the machine let me know! Do not rely on Google translate. They get it just right enough to be dangerous!
Re: F1210HS CNC Project with Acorn
Posted: Sun May 10, 2020 4:53 pm
by LorenzoRR
Black Forest wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 12:16 pm
If you need any help with translating the German manuals for the machine let me know! Do not rely on Google translate. They get it just right enough to be dangerous!
Thank you.
I am attaching a pdf with text in german. If you can help on translating it would be great.
(this document is not from milling machine OEM, it is from an integrator)
Apart of this, I will request Wabeco specific info about their frequency controller and meaning of pins in electrical scheme; expect it will be in English.
Lorenzo
Re: F1410HS CNC Project with Acorn
Posted: Tue May 12, 2020 10:05 am
by Black Forest
Lorenzo, there isn't much to translate in the PDF. It only says this is the control for the spindle if you have the black high speed motor.
Then is says to take the cover off the spindle control box and look at the wires. It also says the manual should be in the bottom of the box.
On the drawing of the pot it says to use pole 5 and 4 only. They don't use the number 3 pole of the pot. That is pretty much all it says!
Re: F1410HS CNC Project with Acorn
Posted: Tue May 12, 2020 10:11 am
by martyscncgarage
Black Forest wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:05 am
Lorenzo, there isn't much to translate in the PDF. It only says this is the control for the spindle if you have the black high speed motor.
Then is says to take the cover off the spindle control box and look at the wires. It also says the manual should be in the bottom of the box.
On the drawing of the pot it says to use pole 5 and 4 only. They don't use the number 3 pole of the pot. That is pretty much all it says!
Thanks for trying!
Without good documentation, it will be difficult to provide good suggestions.
Suggest going back to the manufacturer if the manual can't be found on line anywhere.
Marty
Re: F1410HS CNC Project with Acorn
Posted: Tue May 12, 2020 11:52 am
by Black Forest
Does the spindle motor controller come from the integrator or from CNC Steurung?
Re: F1410HS CNC Project with Acorn
Posted: Tue May 12, 2020 3:58 pm
by LorenzoRR
Black Forest wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 11:52 am
Does the spindle motor controller come from the integrator or from CNC Steurung?
Hi,
Spindle motor controller comes directly from Wabeco; what Steureung does is selling a kit with servos and its own control cabinet. Controller is from CS Labs (CS-MIO I believe); they access directly from the controller to Wabeco's system.
Already requested details about motor control.
Waiting for reply.
Lorenzo.
Re: F1410HS CNC Project with Acorn
Posted: Tue May 12, 2020 5:07 pm
by LorenzoRR
Hi
I have finished an important part in the mechanical stuff.
OEM solution for motors is with belts and wanted to make direct drive; then bought the machine full manual. This is the original system:
It has a couple of machined areas to get good concentricity with stepper's axle.
First idea was to use the small one but was quite difficult to have good concentricity; clamp needed to be done with two separate parts in that cylinder, and was quite difficult to keep tolerances.
Then changed concept to use the bigger one, just by the adjusting dial:
This is the set of parts for fitting the motors:
I have machined coaxial cylinders from both parts in the same turning operation to get something decent with non industrial lathe:
And here is how it looks once installed:
Using the bigger cylinder, clamping plate can be done just with one cut, and good concentricity arter tightening is doable. As test, after all is torqued the coupler should be able to with the hand without effort. Then I assume that ball screw axle and motor axle are more or less concentric.
Z axis is similar:
Now it's time for the cabinet... this will take longer... have to study drawings
Lorenzo
Re: F1410HS CNC Project with Acorn
Posted: Tue May 12, 2020 5:13 pm
by martyscncgarage
LorenzoRR wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 5:07 pm
Hi
I have finished an important part in the mechanical stuff.
OEM solution for motors is with belts and wanted to make direct drive; then bought the machine full manual. This is the original system:
It has a couple of machined areas to get good concentricity with stepper's axle.
First idea was to use the small one but was quite difficult to have good concentricity; clamp needed to be done with two separate parts in that cylinder, and was quite difficult to keep tolerances.
Then changed concept to use the bigger one, just by the adjusting dial:
This is the set of parts for fitting the motors:
I have machined coaxial cylinders from both parts in the same turning operation to get something decent with non industrial lathe:
And here is how it looks once installed:
Using the bigger cylinder, clamping plate can be done just with one cut, and good concentricity arter tightening is doable. As test, after all is torqued the coupler should be able to with the hand without effort. Then I assume that ball screw axle and motor axle are more or less concentric.
Z axis is similar:
Now it's time for the cabinet... this will take longer... have to study drawings
Lorenzo
Lorenzo, your image links do not work. Could you either create a Google Photo Album or upload them directly here?
Re: F1410HS CNC Project with Acorn
Posted: Tue May 12, 2020 5:17 pm
by LorenzoRR
Marty, I can see it in my computer. Do not understand why others cannot.
Do you know of some app that create a shareable url?
However I will see how to create an album
Thanks