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Re: Sticky Jog Buttons
Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 7:57 am
by GraemeP
I Have Converted my Emco PC5 with acorn . While I was setting up the acorn on the bench with the lathes control panel I had the jog buttons
stuck on frequently while testing . My setup is a Dell small form i5 computer and a ABUS vt168h touch monitor. I did a lot of testing on the bench
and found that if I touched a jog button and slid my finger away from the button and when about a inch away slowly lifted my finger of the
screen the button would lock on 100% of the time. I tried driver up dates for the monitor and tried to calibrate the screen no luck .
I wired up the panel on the lathe and changed the screen with different monitor ( Lilliput TK1330 Capacitive Screen ) thought the problem solved
until I started to setup the tools on lathe. The Buttons stuck on and crashed Z axis into the chuck. I reset the job and tool holder . Than it did
again this time the X axis. So not sure what to do now I cannot trust the jog buttons on VCP I have done enough Damage for one day.
Graeme
Re: Sticky Jog Buttons
Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:05 am
by martyscncgarage
GraemeP wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 7:57 am
I Have Converted my Emco PC5 with acorn . While I was setting up the acorn on the bench with the lathes control panel I had the jog buttons
stuck on frequently while testing . My setup is a Dell small form i5 computer and a ABUS vt168h touch monitor. I did a lot of testing on the bench
and found that if I touched a jog button and slid my finger away from the button and when about a inch away slowly lifted my finger of the
screen the button would lock on 100% of the time. I tried driver up dates for the monitor and tried to calibrate the screen no luck .
I wired up the panel on the lathe and changed the screen with different monitor ( Lilliput TK1330 Capacitive Screen ) thought the problem solved
until I started to setup the tools on lathe. The Buttons stuck on and crashed Z axis into the chuck. I reset the job and tool holder . Than it did
again this time the X axis. So not sure what to do now I cannot trust the jog buttons on VCP I have done enough Damage for one day.
Graeme
Graeme
Can you please tell me which button you used, and in what state the VCP was in? (Continuous, Incremental, X1, X10, X100)
I want to see if I can duplicate your result, but want to know exactly how VCP is setup. This sounds more like an issue with multiple touch on the monitors.
Marty
Re: Sticky Jog Buttons
Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 1:50 pm
by Gary Campbell
A little more follow-up on this issue. Like Keith says, it's most likely an issue with settings related to gestures that the touch screen itself accepts. I have not been able to determine if my screen, An ASUS 15.6 (dia) on my lathe has gestures that I can tweak, but I will keep looking.
Short Video showing the issue, with exagerated finger movement. I swear I wasn't moving my finger this much when I crashed my tool during touch off!!
https://youtu.be/jljyr1hl88Q
Re: Sticky Jog Buttons
Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 2:03 pm
by martyscncgarage
Gary Campbell wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 1:50 pm
A little more follow-up on this issue. Like Keith says, it's most likely an issue with settings related to gestures that the touch screen itself accepts. I have not been able to determine if my screen, An ASUS 15.6 (dia) on my lathe has gestures that I can tweak, but I will keep looking.
Short Video showing the issue, with exagerated finger movement. I swear I wasn't moving my finger this much when I crashed my tool during touch off!!
https://youtu.be/jljyr1hl88Q
Thanks for sharing that Gary!
It might be a Windows thing. I am in touch with ASUS and shared your video with them. Their Engineering team is looking into it. Hopefully provide some insight as to what the issue is. I suggested the might add a feature in their OSD menu to turn off multi point touch. Maybe that would help.
I will report back with what they might have to say. It may take a couple of days....
Not sure Centroid could do anything about this. I think its Windows 10 along with multi touch displays.
I would be curious to know if anyone with ELO resistive screens can duplicate this as easily.
Marty
Re: Sticky Jog Buttons
Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 2:07 pm
by Gary Campbell
Marty...
My mentioned previous issues were with another controller. Coincidentally the jog arrow buttons, but the buttons would only accept a touch, never hold, unless you "rolled" your finger tip slightly. This was on a 10 point multi gesture display. A resistive touch (ELO) that I was also testing at the time reacted as expected.
I always assumed this was a monitor/setting/clumsy fat finger issue
Re: Sticky Jog Buttons
Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 2:24 pm
by martyscncgarage
Gary Campbell wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 2:07 pm
Marty...
My mentioned previous issues were with another controller. Coincidentally the jog arrow buttons, but the buttons would only accept a touch, never hold, unless you "rolled" your finger tip slightly. This was on a 10 point multi gesture display. A resistive touch (ELO) that I was also testing at the time reacted as expected.
I always assumed this was a monitor/setting/clumsy fat finger issue
Good input Gary. So ELO resistive worked fine. Its the multipoint gesture displays one has to be careful with.
It shall be interesting to see how ASUS responds.
Thanks Gary!
Marty
Re: Sticky Jog Buttons
Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 5:14 pm
by GraemeP
Marty
My Abus motinor has the same problem as Gary it happens when I in continuous and you do not have to roll or slid you finger for this to happen
most of the time it is just normal touch of the button . I have not found any way to change the setting for this monitor . The other monitor
(Lilliput TK1330) has software setting and I have tried them all . I can no make them lock on the Lilliput like the Abus but the buttons lock on very
frequently with just a normal push of the buttons.
Graeme
Re: Sticky Jog Buttons
Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 1:29 pm
by martyscncgarage
From ASUS:
"Unfortunately, there's no feature to disable the touch gestures for your monitor. There's no assurance that we can add this feature in the future."
Bottom line, you have to becareful when using the touchscreen. WE all know what to look out for, so use care.
Marty
Re: Sticky Jog Buttons
Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:09 pm
by martyscncgarage
I got another response from ASUS after they reviewed the video.
"Thank you for the video, They provide to our team overseas to review. But if the unit is working properly with windows and a software with touch function capabilities then their is no issue."
So, don't roll or drag your finger on VCP!
Re: Sticky Jog Buttons
Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 1:12 am
by djabi
I experience the same issue. Sometimes (once every few days) jogging keeps moving after I stop pressing the jog button for about a second. I can reproduce this with both the touch screen and the Alt-J keyboard jogging. I broke number of things with this bug and it looks like this is a software issue with the CNC board or the PC software. I've notice that it always stops after a second. It feels like the controller gets stuck somewhere and watchdog detected its and reboots the board. The process takes about a second and while the board is rebooting the controller keeps sending the axis pulses. It happens on all axis and I see it with both fast and slow jogging. My initial guess was that this is caused by the touch screen so I started using the keyboard exclusively and it happens with the PC keyboard as well.
I'm at a loss on how to deal with the issue. This is a terrible bug that renders the whole machine useless unless you like playing russian roulette on smashing things.