Probing in Z tool 10? offset

[fozzyber]

I am trying to understand the probing cycles in centroid,
I have a drewtronics probe (probe) and a tool setter (tts).
1: I don't understand the concept or how to use the reference tool as tool 0, I can get it to work as long as I use it as tool 1.
2: How do I use the probe to set a z height. I don't know how to set the z offset, if I use it will it subtract the tool setter height?
3: when I probe a bore it will probe x and y then it moves to center then i set xy to 0, but if I probe and edge, it moxes to detects edge then gives me a number to move to, why does it no just set that edge to zero? It seems silly to have to move the z up, remember the number centroid gave me then move the axis then set zero.
thanks jerry

[cnckeith]

jerry,
hello. are you using a milling machine or router?

[fozzyber]

Router..

[cncsnw]

... but if I probe and edge, it moxes to detects edge then gives me a number to move to, why does it no just set that edge to zero? It seems silly to have to move the z up, remember the number centroid gave me then move the axis then set zero.

The "Single Axis" probing cycle on the F5/Probing menu is not intended for, and is not useful for, setting part zero at the edge.

That is what the F4/Auto option on the Part Setup screen is for: move to an edge or surface and set part zero from there. For F4/Auto to work properly, you need to assign a non-zero tool number to the probe (in Parameter 12), then set the effective stylus diameter in the Diameter Offset for that tool number.

[fozzyber]

I've done that but when I use the F4 Auto probe I only get X and Y slot. And z single when my probe is plugged in. If I unplug my probe then I can get X and Y single but I can't probe because the probe is not plugged in

Jerry

[fozzyber]

Also how or where do I set probe offset? when probe z ( with the probe) my z get set to 3.074 and that is my tool setter offset, it is like centroid is confused between the tool setter and the probe...

[fozzyber]

here is the report if needed

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[cnc_smith]

Jerry,

I've done that but when I use the F4 Auto probe I only get X and Y slot. And z single when my probe is plugged in. If I unplug my probe then I can get X and Y single but I can't probe because the probe is not plugged in

This is answered in 3 below.

I am trying to understand the probing cycles in centroid,
I have a drewtronics probe (probe) and a tool setter (tts).
1: I don't understand the concept or how to use the reference tool as tool 0, I can get it to work as long as I use it as tool 1.

Keith answered this in an earlier post. You do need to assign a tool number to the reference tool. A Zero value will not work for the reference tool.

2: How do I use the probe to set a z height. I don't know how to set the z offset, if I use it will it subtract the tool setter height?

Again Keith answered this in an earlier post. The Probe(F5)-Single Axis (F7) is used only like a CMM to find the surface and back away and give you the X/Y/Z of the surface. The Single Axis (F7) is used mostly with the Z axis to find if the part is flat. You set Part Z zero on the top corner of the part. Move Z up sightly then the jog X and/or y to a different place on the part. Then use the Single axis (F7) in the Z direction. It will contact the surface and retract away and give you the Z value at the surface. You can do the Single Axis (F7) several times in different places on the part to see if the Surface is at Z zero.

3: when I probe a bore it will probe x and y then it moves to center then i set xy to 0, but if I probe and edge, it moxes to detects edge then gives me a number to move to, why does it no just set that edge to zero? It seems silly to have to move the z up, remember the number centroid gave me then move the axis then set zero.

In the Set Part 0/Position screen if you use the right arrow key and highlight the Approach from and press the SPACE bar you can change from Center to Right (+) and Left (-) for X axis direction and if you are on Y axis (Next Axis F1) Back (+) and Front (-) direction the control will automatically set the surface to zero. Or if you type a value in the part position before you press cycle start it will automatically set the surface to that value. If you press cycle start and the value is set to zero you can still change that surface value by typing the value in the part position and press the Set (F10).

Also how or where do I set probe offset? when probe z ( with the probe) my z get set to 3.074 and that is my tool setter offset, it is like centroid is confused between the tool setter and the probe...

In the Wizard in Tool Touch Off do you have "Subtract height of Tool Touch Off device" set to a Yes? If you are using the Probe to set the Z height without the Tool Touch Off this should be set to No.

[cnckeith]

jerry, hello. be sure to indicate Tool Touch Off or Touch Probe. i'm not sure to which "probe" you are referring to. thanks!

[fozzyber]

This helped i was trying to click , I did not think to arrow over,
I think got a grip on some of the zref and tool setting, I am going to play some more to make sure I understand then maybe post a video

3: when I probe a bore it will probe x and y then it moves to center then i set xy to 0, but if I probe and edge, it moxes to detects edge then gives me a number to move to, why does it no just set that edge to zero? It seems silly to have to move the z up, remember the number centroid gave me then move the axis then set zero.

In the Set Part 0/Position screen if you use the right arrow key and highlight the Approach from and press the SPACE bar you can change from Center to Right (+) and Left (-) for X axis direction and if you are on Y axis (Next Axis F1) Back (+) and Front (-) direction the control will automatically set the surface to zero. Or if you type a value in the part position before you press cycle start it will automatically set the surface to that value. If you press cycle start and the value is set to zero you can still change that surface value by typing the value in the part position and press the Set (F10).