Upgrading 1984 Wells Index 820 with Allin1DC

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Re: About to embark on an Allin1DC retrofit on Wells Index 847

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Centroid sells encoder cable by the foot. My personal preference is PUR insulated industrial continuous twist/flex rated CAT5/6 Ethernet cable. Usually 24 or 26 gauge, it's twisted pair and the better cables have each pair individually shielded.

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Re: About to embark on an Allin1DC retrofit on Wells Index 847

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Yes Centroid sells it. It is West Penn 3653 cable. There are a couple of sellers on ebay with it now.
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Re: About to embark on an Allin1DC retrofit on Wells Index 847

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Thanks Marty!

That's exactly what I was looking for but for the life of me, couldn't find it again. Excellent price. I'll be ordering some shortly.

Speaking of things I saw once and can't find again, there was a video discussing incoming 220 power. Can not find it again. :(

Am I correct in understanding that I will be reusing most (if not all) of the 240 three phase power (and 120 single phase) and connectors, relays, magentics, etc., from the original machine?

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Re: About to embark on an Allin1DC retrofit on Wells Index 847

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Follow the Centroid Schematic.....likely little you can reuse. You may need to use the transformer for DC Buss power.
DO follow the TB-1 terminal block. Buy that number of position terminal block.

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Re: About to embark on an Allin1DC retrofit on Wells Index 847

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You never posted a picture of the inside of the original cabinet that I could see....
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Re: About to embark on an Allin1DC retrofit on Wells Index 847

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Thanks Marty!

Cable has been ordered.

I didn't want to muddy the waters too soon with too many pictures. I do have pics of the electrics but not on me. I will get them uploaded tonight.

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Re: About to embark on an Allin1DC retrofit on Wells Index 847

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Chevy427z wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 10:29 am Thanks Marty!

Cable has been ordered.

I didn't want to muddy the waters too soon with too many pictures. I do have pics of the electrics but not on me. I will get them uploaded tonight.

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Remember, we can't "SEE" what you "SEE" so your asking questions on what to keep won't get good information.
My suggestion is keep the transformer, you need it for the proper DC buss voltage. I would buy Centroid's Cap and Bridge Comb: https://www.centroidcnc.com/centroid_di ... nents.html
Likely buy a new Estop contactor, TB1 terminal block etc. Follow the schematics. I even try very hard to use the size/color wiring recommended on the schematics. Remington has a nice assortment box: https://www.remingtonindustries.com/hoo ... -300-volt/

Make sure you use snubbers/quencharcs on all contactor coils etc.
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Re: About to embark on an Allin1DC retrofit on Wells Index 847

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Current incoming power setup.
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Re: About to embark on an Allin1DC retrofit on Wells Index 847

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Chevy427z wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 9:49 am
Am I correct in understanding that I will be reusing most (if not all) of the 240 three phase power (and 120 single phase) and connectors, relays, magentics, etc., from the original machine?

Mark
I have done several Bridgeport BOSS CNC conversions (early ones being Mach 3 - glad to be done with that), and I trashed all the original parts. You might be able to use the original step down transformer for the servo power, but you need to make sure it is not a 3 phase to single phase step down transformer. The Bridgeport stepper supply transformers were single phase with a huge amount of options for taps, but in the end I used AnTek toroidal transformers for my supplies. If your motors are rated for at least 180v (doubt they are), then you can rectify the line directly. AnTek also sells a nice rectifier/filter assembly that is easy to modify to add additional capacitance. I used one on my current machine for the last 8 years with no issue, and now on my current "rebuild" I have upped the capacitance with an outboard capacitor. So if you are using a VFD for the spindle, there is no need for any 3 phase parts.

That brake has no provision to be manually operated? The lever on the left side of the head looks a lot like the brake lever on Bridgeport heads.
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Re: About to embark on an Allin1DC retrofit on Wells Index 847

Post by martyscncgarage »

Flash glare on the transformer label. Can't read it.
I assume your servo motor cables and encoder go to the Console cabinet. Have you opened that up yet?
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