Workflow for ER collet spindle when touching off each tool change manually
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Re: Workflow for ER collet spindle when touching off each tool change manually
OK, in the photo you just posted above, for the N.O. tool touchoff switch, one of the switch terminals would attach to the white wire and the other to the dark blue wire, correct?
And a tool touch probe, if it was just a simple 2 terminal NC switch, one of its switch terminals would attach to the same dark blue wire and the other to the red/black wire, correct?
I'm referring to the slightly darker blue wire one space up from the corner in both instances.
And a tool touch probe, if it was just a simple 2 terminal NC switch, one of its switch terminals would attach to the same dark blue wire and the other to the red/black wire, correct?
I'm referring to the slightly darker blue wire one space up from the corner in both instances.
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Re: Workflow for ER collet spindle when touching off each tool change manually
Very confused as to your terminology and exactly what you are trying to do.tomj wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 10:41 pm OK, in the photo you just posted above, for the N.O. tool touchoff switch, one of the switch terminals would attach to the white wire and the other to the dark blue wire, correct?
And a tool touch probe, if it was just a simple 2 terminal NC switch, one of its switch terminals would attach to the same dark blue wire and the other to the red/black wire, correct?
I'm referring to the slightly darker blue wire one space up from the corner in both instances.
First the control needs to know what is attached. Normally this is done by grounding the Tool Touch Detect circuit. Then when it sees the trigger input (white) it will work.
The TT1-B and TT-2 are normally open.
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Re: Workflow for ER collet spindle when touching off each tool change manually
I know nothing about how these touch or probe systems are designed to work and am trying to accomplish what I as a novice would consider a simple goal, for the control to see when the tool touch switch closes. I have a normally open switch mounted to the table that will sense the tool coming down in z to set the z. This normally open switch of mine has 2 terminals.. those terminals need to attach to the plug that plugs into the All in One DC controller via the probe plug. To accomplish that connection I need to know which positions in the plug I need to attach these 2 wires from the switch to. I really don't know how to explain this in any other way...does this make sense?
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Re: Workflow for ER collet spindle when touching off each tool change manually
I am not trying to set up a system by which the control detects touch by conduction thru the tool to the surface of a touch off pad. I'm trying to set it up such that the detection is by the closure of this switch I have mounted, if that clarifies things...
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Re: Workflow for ER collet spindle when touching off each tool change manually
Pin 3-COM (blue)
Pin 4-Tool Touch Detect (BLK/red)
Pin 5-Probe triggered (White)
Blue and white are connected when the tool touches the tool touch probe. (Switch closes)
But as far as I know before you run the tool measurement cycle, the control needs to see
COM and BLK/red connected.
Pin 4-Tool Touch Detect (BLK/red)
Pin 5-Probe triggered (White)
Blue and white are connected when the tool touches the tool touch probe. (Switch closes)
But as far as I know before you run the tool measurement cycle, the control needs to see
COM and BLK/red connected.
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Re: Workflow for ER collet spindle when touching off each tool change manually
Great, that makes sense, so the control knows a touchoff device is connected when there is a jumper from blue to blk/red, then the blue and the white go to my N.O. switch . That's exactly the information that I needed.
thanks again
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Re: Workflow for ER collet spindle when touching off each tool change manually
Correct. A different detect is used for a probe in the spindle. The both share the same trigger input.
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Re: Workflow for ER collet spindle when touching off each tool change manually
Ok... Are you referring to a stylus type work probe? if so then I will need to invert my Normally closed stylus work probe from NC to NO with a relay and then it looks like I would use (taking the colors from your photo of the connector) green to blue to detect that a probe is present and the same blue and white wires as I use for the touch off switch for this "spindle work probe triggered", yes?
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Re: Workflow for ER collet spindle when touching off each tool change manually
YES. Stylus probe that goes into the spindle. Used for part setup etc.tomj wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 12:25 am Ok... Are you referring to a stylus type work probe? if so then I will need to invert my Normally closed stylus work probe from NC to NO with a relay and then it looks like I would use (taking the colors from your photo of the connector) green to blue to detect that a probe is present and the same blue and white wires as I use for the touch off switch for this "spindle work probe triggered", yes?
You would use:
3: COM (Blue)
5: Trip (White)
6: Probe Detect (Green)
You will note the only difference between this one and the TOOL TOUCH off device is it uses 6 for Probe Detect. This signal tells the control there is a Stylus type probe in the spindle.
Get in there and do some testing!
Marty
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Re: Workflow for ER collet spindle when touching off each tool change manually
Is it going to be a problem if, because my touch off switch is permanently mounted and so the blk/red will always be connected to the blue that if I plug in my stylus probe (and thereby also connect the green probe detect to the blue) there will be a problem? ie does the controller know to recognize the stylus and prioritize that if both are connected? or do I have to disconnect the tool touch detect to use the stylus? (presumably the stylus would never be in the spindle or plugged in when tool touch off is in process)
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