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Acornsix with DZB series dzb312b7007 VFD Help Needed

Post by Blaze »

Hello CNC gurus, gods & goddess, I have question on identifying needed wires to connect a DZB series dzb312b7007 .5l2A Fuling Inverter VFD to my Acornsix.

Just looking for suggestions or maybe documentation that's clear enough for a layman like me to understand.

Link to the manual. https://cncu.co.za/EasyRoute-CNC-Router ... Manual.pdf

I need to know what the input Common /VFD Common is if it’s they are no DMC ACM from my VFD.
I believe the 0-10VCD supplied from Acorn to my VFD should be connected to V1 to AMC and DMC VFD terminal.
What should be the Fault NC/ Spindle or Signal wire?
Should Fault Com be the AMC and or DMC terminal of the VFD?
Should Spin Fwd. be SW1 terminal of the VFD?
This VFD was previously connected and fully functional with my spindle on Rich Auto 4 Axis motion controller.
The VFD to this controller only had 4 wires connected. (FWD- Red wire to VFD terminal S1), (OA1-Green wire to VFD Terminal V1) (GND- yellow & Blue wire to VFD terminal FM)

Please help if you can.
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Re: Acornsix with DZB series dzb312b7007 VFD Help Needed

Post by Centroid_Tech2 »

From looking at the picture and counting terminals it looks like the current connections are:

Yellow = ACM (Analog common)
Green = VI (Voltage Input)
Red = S1 (Input Signal 1)
Blue = DCM (Digital Common)
Red = B (Relay Common)
Black = C (Relay NC)

I made a drawing showing these connections to the AcornSix along with the Optional connections (in blue) based on the default settings of that VFD according to the maual.
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Re: Acornsix with DZB series dzb312b7007 VFD Help Needed

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thanks chuck!
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Re: Acornsix with DZB series dzb312b7007 VFD Help Needed

Post by Blaze »

Centroid_Tech2 wrote: Tue Nov 29, 2022 1:42 pm From looking at the picture and counting terminals it looks like the current connections are:

Yellow = ACM (Analog common)
Green = VI (Voltage Input)
Red = S1 (Input Signal 1)
Blue = DCM (Digital Common)
Red = B (Relay Common)
Black = C (Relay NC)

I made a drawing showing these connections to the AcornSix along with the Optional connections (in blue) based on the default settings of that VFD according to the maual.
Hello all…, Hope you all are going well as we prepared to celebrate this festive season.
I am here again asking for some helping hand. After doing both spindle bench test successfully, I made the connection per the attached schematic for my DZB Series VFD with no success. even though I do not know how to trouble shot the system effectively, I was able to check DC voltage to the Analog input on the Acornsix by using the MDI to call up different RPM. I then cross check my DC voltage with the Voltage from V1 and ACM and I believe V1 and DCM as well.
I noticed all indicated light on my relays were all red even the NC connection on the relay.
This system was fully operation on RichAuto DSP58E
My spindle is 6kw Air Cooled Automatic Tool Change Atc Spindle Motor (GDL60-30-24Z/6.0)
Spindle spec is
spindle type: GDL60-30-24Z/6.0
Speed: 24000rpm
power: 6KW
voltage: 380V
current: 12.5A
Frequecy: 800Hz
My VFD Perimeter are as follow.
1) Code F0.01- Command source selection of fuling inverter
Setup Range: 0- keyboard; 1- terminal; 2- communication
Default Value: 0
Proper Value Should Be Set Up: 1

2) Code F0.03- Frequency command selection of fuling inverter
Setup Range: 0- keyboard; 1- VI; 2- CI; 3- VI+CI; 4- Multi-speed; 5- PID control; 6- communication
Default Value: 0
Proper Value Should Be Set Up: (I set this to 1)
4 (if controller is richauto dsp)
1 (if controller is weihong nc studio)

3) Code F0.04- Maximum output frequency of fuling inverter
Setup Range: 10.00~600.00Hz
Default Value: 50.00Hz
Proper Value Should Be Set Up. (I set this to 800)

4) Code F0.05- Upper limit frequency of fuling inverter
Setup Range: 0.00Hz~F0.04 (code)
Default Value: 50.00Hz
Proper Value Should Be Set Up: same value as code F0.04 (I set this to 800)

5) Code F0.08 Electric spindle motor ACCEL time
Setup Range: 10.0~20.0s (for cnc router electric spindle)
Default Value: 10.0s
Proper Value Should Be Set Up: 15.0s

6) Code F0.09 Electric spindle motor DECEL time
Setup Range: 10.0~20.0s (for cnc router electric spindle)
Default Value: 10.0s
Proper Value Should Be Set Up: 15.0s

7) Code F0.10 Electric spindle motor run direction selection
Setup Range: 0- electric spindle motor running at default direction; 1- running at reverse direction; 2- No inverse running
Default Value: 0
Proper Value Should Be Set Up: 2
8) Code F0.25 Terminal command protection of fuling inverter when power on
Setup Range: 0- Terminal command invalid when power on; 1- Terminal command valid when power on.
Default Value: 0
Proper Value Should Be Set Up: 1

9) F1.00 Electric spindle motor model
Setup Range: 0- B model; 1- P model; 2- high speed model
Default Value: 0
Proper Value Should Be Set Up: 2

10) F1.01 Electric spindle motor rated power
Setup Range: 0.4~900.0kw
Proper Value Should Be Set Up: 6.0

11) F1.02 Electric spindle motor rated frequency
Setup Range: 0.01Hz~F0.04 (code)
Proper Value Should Be Set Up: same value as code F0.04 (I set this to 800)

12) F1.03 Electric spindle motor rated speed
Setup Range: 0~36000 rpm
Proper Value Should Be Set Up: (I set this to 24000)

13) F1.04 Electric spindle motor rated voltage
Setup Range: 0~460V
Proper Value Should Be Set Up: (I Set this to 220)

14) F1.05 Electric spindle motor rated current
Setup Range: 0.1~1000.0A
Proper Value Should Be Set Up: (I Set this to 12.5)
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Re: Acornsix with DZB series dzb312b7007 VFD Help Needed

Post by cnckeith »

thanks, tell your friends to use an Acorn ;)
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Re: Acornsix with DZB series dzb312b7007 VFD Help Needed

Post by Blaze »

Hello all…, Hope you all are going well as we prepared to celebrate this festive season.
I am here again asking for some helping hand. After doing both spindle bench test successfully, I made the connection per the attached schematic for my DZB Series VFD with no success.
DZB-DRAFT.pdf
(163.03 KiB) Downloaded 9 times
Even though I do not know how to trouble shot the system effectively, I was able to check DC voltage to the Analog input on the Acornsix by using the MDI to call up different RPM. I then cross check my DC voltage with the Voltage from V1 and ACM and I believe V1 and DCM as well.
I noticed all indicated light on my relays were all red even the NC connection on the relay.Should this be the case?
This system was fully operation on RichAuto DSP58E.

My spindle is 6kw Air Cooled Automatic Tool Change Atc Spindle Motor (GDL60-30-24Z/6.0)
GDL60-24z 6.0 Spindle.jpg
Spindle spec is
spindle type: GDL60-30-24Z/6.0
Speed: 24000rpm
power: 6KW
voltage: 380V
current: 12.5A
Frequecy: 800Hz
My VFD Perimeter are as follow.
1) Code F0.01- Command source selection of fuling inverter
Setup Range: 0- keyboard; 1- terminal; 2- communication
Default Value: 0
Proper Value Should Be Set Up: 1

2) Code F0.03- Frequency command selection of fuling inverter
Setup Range: 0- keyboard; 1- VI; 2- CI; 3- VI+CI; 4- Multi-speed; 5- PID control; 6- communication
Default Value: 0
Proper Value Should Be Set Up: (I set this to 1)
4 (if controller is richauto dsp)
1 (if controller is weihong nc studio)

3) Code F0.04- Maximum output frequency of fuling inverter
Setup Range: 10.00~600.00Hz
Default Value: 50.00Hz
Proper Value Should Be Set Up. (I set this to 800)

4) Code F0.05- Upper limit frequency of fuling inverter
Setup Range: 0.00Hz~F0.04 (code)
Default Value: 50.00Hz
Proper Value Should Be Set Up: same value as code F0.04 (I set this to 800)

5) Code F0.08 Electric spindle motor ACCEL time
Setup Range: 10.0~20.0s (for cnc router electric spindle)
Default Value: 10.0s
Proper Value Should Be Set Up: 15.0s

6) Code F0.09 Electric spindle motor DECEL time
Setup Range: 10.0~20.0s (for cnc router electric spindle)
Default Value: 10.0s
Proper Value Should Be Set Up: 15.0s

7) Code F0.10 Electric spindle motor run direction selection
Setup Range: 0- electric spindle motor running at default direction; 1- running at reverse direction; 2- No inverse running
Default Value: 0
Proper Value Should Be Set Up: 2
8) Code F0.25 Terminal command protection of fuling inverter when power on
Setup Range: 0- Terminal command invalid when power on; 1- Terminal command valid when power on.
Default Value: 0
Proper Value Should Be Set Up: 1

9) F1.00 Electric spindle motor model
Setup Range: 0- B model; 1- P model; 2- high speed model
Default Value: 0
Proper Value Should Be Set Up: 2

10) F1.01 Electric spindle motor rated power
Setup Range: 0.4~900.0kw
Proper Value Should Be Set Up: 6.0

11) F1.02 Electric spindle motor rated frequency
Setup Range: 0.01Hz~F0.04 (code)
Proper Value Should Be Set Up: same value as code F0.04 (I set this to 800)

12) F1.03 Electric spindle motor rated speed
Setup Range: 0~36000 rpm
Proper Value Should Be Set Up: (I set this to 24000)

13) F1.04 Electric spindle motor rated voltage
Setup Range: 0~460V
Proper Value Should Be Set Up: (I Set this to 220)

14) F1.05 Electric spindle motor rated current
Setup Range: 0.1~1000.0A
Proper Value Should Be Set Up: (I Set this to 12.5)
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Re: Acornsix with DZB series dzb312b7007 VFD Help Needed

Post by ShawnM »

I see two issues right away with your information.........

1- the motor label says 380 volts and you have you say you have the VFD programmed to 220v in F1.04
2- the VFD manual says it's capable of 0-600Hz and you say you programmed it to 800Hz, how? Setting F0.04

If this VFD and spindle worked properly together on your last controller you should not have changed any parameters at first. It's odd that with the settings you say are programmed that it works but if it does you do not need to change any parameters.

All LED's on the relay board should not be red, 4 and 5 should be green when the spindle is running. Do you have the outputs setup properly in the wizard? You need to post a copy of a current report so we can see your Acorn settings. Output 4 should be "VFD Enable" and output 5 should be "SPINFWD". I assume this is a router so you don't need reverse.

You also should not have changed any wiring on the VFD if it worked before.

For a simple test, remove the red and blue wires from Acorn relay board and short them together. Go into MDI and call up a RPM and see if the spindle comes on. If it does then you don't have the wizard outputs setup properly. I think this is the issue since all your relays leds are red when you try to run the spindle.

Please post a current report and let us know if the spindle comes on after the simple test.
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Re: Acornsix with DZB series dzb312b7007 VFD Help Needed

Post by Blaze »

Thanks once again Mr. ShawnM.
I have changed the following VFD programmed values to the following… F1.04 to 380Volt and F0.04 to 600.

My Relay LEDs and Wizard
The previous wizard settings before I implemented the changes you suggested was
Input 7 was somewhat set to “Spindle mid” something like that (I guess by mistake). I have changed it and wrote the new PLC files.

From the MDI, a spindle RPM was called as well as trying to manually turn on the spindle On using the VCP with no success. All relay lights were still red.

With input 7 now set to “Spindle ok” I turned my attention to PLC input and output.
Output 4 was already set to “VFD Enable”
Output 5 “VFD direction” was changed to “Spin Fwd.” as suggested. I had an error message preventing from writing PLC.
PLC Error when out5 changed from VFDDirection to SpinFwd unable to wring plc.jpg
My current output 5 setting are now set to “VFD direction”.

I rechecked all wiring from VFD to Acorn and made a few changes. DCM (White and red wires) was wired to a single DCM terminal on my VFD.
bad wiring DCM white and Red wires connected to 1 DCM terminal on VFD 1.jpg


I split these wires and wired them to individual DCM terminals on my VFD.
Good wiring VFD wire when 2 DCM output  split to indivual DCM terminal on VFD..jpg
DCM (white wire) from VFD now connected to Acorn relay6 N.O. I realized that this should have been connected to the COM Terminal. Will make changes when I get home and re-bench test the system.
Relay light up correctly with Spindle Reverse disconnected.jpg
DCM (Red wire) from VFD now connected to Acorn relay4 COM Terminal.
With these connections. Relay 1, 5 & 6 lights are Green.
From the MDI M3s1000 cycle start. Relay 1, 5, 6 was still green but now Relay 4 was energized/ green. I was still unable to control my spindle from the VCP, even when I switch from Auto mod Spindle manual mod. This was the result I got when I shorted DCM (Red wire) VFD Com with VFD S1 “Spin Fwd.”
Shorted DCM Red and Green S1 SpinFwd. form on Acorn Side.jpg
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Re: Acornsix with DZB series dzb312b7007 VFD Help Needed

Post by ShawnM »

Thanks for the report, there are several issues that are still incorrect.

First, change your screen resolution on your PC to 1980x1020, the VCP was designed for this resolution. This is not part of the problem just something that needs correcting.

As for your spindle, from your pic is is an 800Hz spindle, not a 600 Hz spindle. The manual for your VFD says 0-600Hz but your motor is 800Hz. This is what confused me. If you can set your two VFD settings to 800Hz then leave it at 800Hz. This tells me the manual you have may not be the correct manual. They should be 800Hz but the VFD manual says it only goes to 600Hz. Set them back to 800Hz if you can.

Now to your wiring, you are making things more difficult with all your changes, as I said in my earlier post, if it was working with your old controller you should have made NO VFD WIRING CHANGES at first. Now you have made several wiring changes and VDF parameter changes with no way of getting back to where you were when it worked.

This is a CNC router, there's no need for REV on a router, you'll never spin the spindle backwards.

Your wizard settings on the input and output page in the report you posted are still not correct nor do they match the pic you just posted.

For now, remove "SpindleOK" from INP7 on the input wizard page. We'll add it back in later when you are spinning.

On the Output wizard page, remove "VFDResetOut" and "VFDEnable" for now. You just need "SpinFWD" on output 5 Write those settings to the wizard. You should not get any configuration errors.

Lastly, you've now changed all you wire colors to something else. Now nothing we told you before makes any sense.

- The Pink on VI goes to Acorn analog out 1, the Blue wire on ACM goes to the GND terminal next to the pink wire on Acorn.
- Run a wire from DCM (the third one from the left on the bottom row next to S2) on the VFD to the center terminal on relay number 5.
- Run a wire from the N/O terminal on relay 5 (the screw on the left side of center like in your pic) to S1 on your VFD
- remove spindle reset and spindle ok wires for now, we'll add them back later.

You should only have 4 wires on the VFD for this test. VI and ACM and DCM and SI, that's it. No other wires for now.

Now for the spindle test, when you go into MDI and type M3S5000 relay 5 should turn green. Does the spindle turn on? When you type M5 relay 5 should go turn red. Did the spindle turn off?

Report back after these changes.
Last edited by ShawnM on Mon Dec 12, 2022 7:30 pm, edited 2 times in total.
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Re: Acornsix with DZB series dzb312b7007 VFD Help Needed

Post by cnckeith »

fyi.. there are two ways to control VFD direction signals with the Wizard.
see schematics for guidance on the differences between these two methods. don't mix and match them, that is what the error message is about.

Method #1. Use two output dedicated relays assigned as "SpinFwd" and the other as "SpinRev". SpinFwd and SpinRev work together and are meant to be used together, dont use the "VfdDirection" output assignment in combination if you have decided to use SpinFwd and SpinRev
example wiring. https://www.centroidcnc.com/dealersuppo ... 983.r3.pdf

Method #2. Use the Wizard output assignments "VfdDirection" and "VfdEnable"
Example wiring
https://www.centroidcnc.com/dealersuppo ... 158.r3.pdf

background. You might ask "why there are two canned methods supported in the Wizard?" The short answer is when Acorn was first released the newbie customers found method two (which is the typical industrial way to do it) to be confusing so, we created a more straight forward method using SpinFwd and SpinRev that is easier to understand.
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