Analog output/ VFD problem

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Glennpieterse
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Re: Analog output/ VFD problem

Post by Glennpieterse »

I tried the capacitor method again and turns out that it works, i first connected the capacitor on vfd side and now on acorn side, I thought everything was hooked up correctly with the capacitor but turns out it was not, instantly the voltage was 0v and now gives me 100% spindle speed at 10v

Everything works fine now!! So your recommendation where good!!

Thanks for all the support guys!

Glenn
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Re: Analog output/ VFD problem

Post by cncsnw »

Add the capacitor across the analog pair, as Tom suggested above.
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Re: Analog output/ VFD problem

Post by Dave_C »

cncsnw wrote: Sat Aug 28, 2021 2:24 pm Add the capacitor across the analog pair, as Tom suggested above.
I'm happy to hear that this solved the problem but can anyone explain WHY this worked?

What's the principal here? Is it a noise issue, impedance matching issue?

It's hard to learn new things and apply them to future problems if all we are told is "just do it". Why are we doing it?

Obviously Tom has seen this issue before and knew what to do, but please explain what is going on here!

Dave C.
Grizzly G0678 Mill ,CNC conversion with Acorn. G4004G Lathe, Mach 3 conversion to Acorn.
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Re: Analog output/ VFD problem

Post by cncsnw »

As I understand it, some VFDs' ADC inputs react with Centroid's DAC output, to cause a resonance or oscillation. If you look at the "incorrect" analog signal with an oscilloscope, you may see a significant sine wave there, rather than a steady DC voltage.

The capacitor shunts that high-frequency oscillation.

Here is a scope view of the analog signal between an Allin1DC unit and an old Saftronics (Yaskawa) PC3 inverter, with what should have been a steady 2.0VDC analog command.
S1000-bad.png
At eng199's suggestion, I added the snubber circuit shown here (two 0.1uF capacitors and a 10-Ohm resistor).
AnalogSnubber.png
With that snubber circuit in place, the same analog command looked like this (same scope settings).
S1000-Snubber.png
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Re: Analog output/ VFD problem

Post by Dave_C »

Incredible!

Thanks for the explanation and the diagrams.

Never to old to learn something new!

Dave C.
Grizzly G0678 Mill ,CNC conversion with Acorn. G4004G Lathe, Mach 3 conversion to Acorn.
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