Issue since 4.62 upgrade

[terrymcc]

Sorry I have made this thread so confusing. I am learning as I go. And, since this forum doesn't allow you to edit your previous post,....

I checked out my tool measuring process. This is what works.
- Use the TT and the shoulder of the spindle to set the Offset ZReff
- Measure the tool with the TT. It enters the tool length into the table.
The only issue is that for it to come down to do the Offset or the tool measure it has to know that a probe is present to use the TT. I don't know why because I'm not using the probe, but now that I know what is required, I can make it work.

I thought the only purpose of the sensor detection logic was to keep the spindle from energizing. But, I guess it's in some other logic as well.

Thanks for helping me..

[martyscncgarage]

Sorry I have made this thread so confusing. I am learning as I go. And, since this forum doesn't allow you to edit your previous post,....

I checked out my tool measuring process. This is what works.
- Use the TT and the shoulder of the spindle to set the Offset ZReff
- Measure the tool with the TT. It enters the tool length into the table.
The only issue is that for it to come down to do the Offset or the tool measure it has to know that a probe is present to use the TT. I don't know why because I'm not using the probe, but now that I know what is required, I can make it work.

I thought the only purpose of the sensor detection logic was to keep the spindle from energizing. But, I guess it's in some other logic as well.

Thanks for helping me..

Correct, the probe detect input enables the safety features....
You can leave a tool touch off probe mounted to your table and wired to the control.

[terrymcc]

Sorry I have made this thread so confusing. I am learning as I go. And, since this forum doesn't allow you to edit your previous post,....

I checked out my tool measuring process. This is what works.
- Use the TT and the shoulder of the spindle to set the Offset ZReff
- Measure the tool with the TT. It enters the tool length into the table.
The only issue is that for it to come down to do the Offset or the tool measure it has to know that a probe is present to use the TT. I don't know why because I'm not using the probe, but now that I know what is required, I can make it work.

I thought the only purpose of the sensor detection logic was to keep the spindle from energizing. But, I guess it's in some other logic as well.

Thanks for helping me..

Correct, the probe detect input enables the safety features....
You can leave a tool touch off probe mounted to your table and wired to the control.

Marty,
Why when I am using the probe to set Z0 does it need to detect the TT. And why when I am using the TT to measure a tool does it need to detect the presence of the probe?

[martyscncgarage]

Sorry I have made this thread so confusing. I am learning as I go. And, since this forum doesn't allow you to edit your previous post,....

I checked out my tool measuring process. This is what works.
- Use the TT and the shoulder of the spindle to set the Offset ZReff
- Measure the tool with the TT. It enters the tool length into the table.
The only issue is that for it to come down to do the Offset or the tool measure it has to know that a probe is present to use the TT. I don't know why because I'm not using the probe, but now that I know what is required, I can make it work.

I thought the only purpose of the sensor detection logic was to keep the spindle from energizing. But, I guess it's in some other logic as well.

Thanks for helping me..

Correct, the probe detect input enables the safety features....
You can leave a tool touch off probe mounted to your table and wired to the control.

Marty,
Why when I am using the probe to set Z0 does it need to detect the TT. And why when I am using the TT to measure a tool does it need to detect the presence of the probe?

You only have one connected at a time in most cases. Either the Tool Touch off or the Probe. If using the Probe, you need to have probe detect active when the probe is connected.

Can you post a video clip of what you are trying to do and what is going on?
Are you using Swissi's probe app or are you using the stock Centroid probing routines?

Marty

[terrymcc]

Correct, the probe detect input enables the safety features....
You can leave a tool touch off probe mounted to your table and wired to the control.

Marty,
Why when I am using the probe to set Z0 does it need to detect the TT. And why when I am using the TT to measure a tool does it need to detect the presence of the probe?

You only have one connected at a time in most cases. Either the Tool Touch off or the Probe. If using the Probe, you need to have probe detect active when the probe is connected.

Can you post a video clip of what you are trying to do and what is going on?
Are you using Swissi's probe app or are you using the stock Centroid probing routines?

Marty

Attached is a link to the requested video. I am using stock Centroid routines. Issue is when doing tool offset measurement with TT sensor, software requires that the probe be present even though I am not using the probe.

[cnckeith]

please demonstrate which input is triggering when you remove the touch probe from the holder.

use the Alt i screen to see that.

[martyscncgarage]

Another video clip showing the Alt i diagnostics screen
And move the cursor to the input to identify each one OR also post a screen shot of your Wizard Input Screen

[terrymcc]

Another video clip showing the Alt i diagnostics screen
And move the cursor to the input to identify each one OR also post a screen shot of your Wizard Input Screen

Here ya go....


Thanks

[Allin1Chris]

Hi Terrymc,

This does appear to be a bug, i tried your same setup in a previous version (4.51) and works as expected. TT is used for ZRef for tool offsets and can use the probe for Part Z0.

You should be able to set "Use TT for ZRef Measurements" in the wizard and use the TT for your ZRef and be able to use the probe for part Z0. However it appears in 4.62 having this setting applied forces the use of the TT for Part Z0 (your initial issue). You following my suggestion to click no on "Subtract height of TT" simply moved the issue to needing the probe for ZRef.

I would suggest continue to workaround it as you are now in the mean time or you can set "use TT for ZRef" and have the TT out of the holder during performing Part Z0 (basically just reversing what your doing). Alternatively, you can use the TT to also set your Part Z0 with the Height subtraction enabled.

I have already let our Centroid Programmers aware of this issue and hopefully can have a solution for the next acorn release.

Thank you for bringing this issue to light.

[martyscncgarage]

Terry, I asked Centroid to look at your situation and your video clips were invaluable along with the report.

It goes to show just how important it is to provided detailed information.

Thank you!
Marty