Overdue for an update, and the big news is I’ve successfully added “Z” to my formerly 2-axis conversion! I’ve joined (most of) the rest of you in the *t h i r d d i m e n s i o n* (meant to be read with an echo effect).
This escape from flatland started with the purchase of a suitable Z-axis motor. For me, this meant a match to the SEM MT30 servos on my X & Y axes, for no particular reason beyond knowing I can tune one of these to my Dugong drives. A quick trip to eBay revealed a decent price on an “R” version of this motor. This means it’s a little longer and more powerful than the “M” versions already on my machine (the further down the alphabet you go, the longer and stronger the motors get in this long-since-retired line), but it shouldn’t matter much.
The seller was happy to sell motors individually, having taken three off of an old machine. I took the left one pictured below:
It was only after a couple of back and forths that I took notice of the eBay seller’s name, “marty_in_mesa”. Hmm, that seems somehow familiar. My suspicions were confirmed at the end of our conversation when out of the blue he recommended the Centroid All-in-One for my conversion. Yep, I bought the motor from this forum’s very own Marty! By the time I figured it out, I didn’t even bother introducing myself. I will say, he was lightning fast and helpful with his responses to my questions, and boxed up the motor and sent it out the very day I paid for it. Two thumbs up for Marty.
I received the motor a few days later and popped off the encoder cover to see what was under there. Looks like a 500 line encoder; no worries the plan was always to install the third 2048 line Calt encoder I bought a couple of months ago when I was working on X & Y.
Under the encoder we find the tachometer assembly typical of these motors and a 0.250” shaft. That’s a minor bummer, since my encoder wants a 6mm shaft:
Fortunately, it’s not hard to find 6mm to .250” shaft adapters. Yet another Amazon box later, this problem was surmounted:
A little trickier was the fact that the encoder face has a raised boss around the shaft bearing that prevents the encoder from sitting flat on the motor’s encoder riser. This required me to bore a recess into the riser. I found the center of the hole using my probe and CNC12’s bore probing routine. My first real use of the probe, and it couldn’t have gone more smoothly:
After that, it was a matter of wiring up the encoder, power, and shield and threading it through the liquid-tight conduit I had cut to length and fitted with appropriate screw connectors:
Next update: Installing an Elrod Z-axis kit, and mounting the motor to it. Spoiler alert: installing the Z-axis kit was not as fun as it really should have been, but I won’t dwell on that, having vented about it here.
2-axis Sharp knee mill revival - Now with 50% more axes!!
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Re: 2-axis Sharp knee mill revival
Thanks for sharing the pictures.
Looking forward to the rest of the build and the machine making chips!
Marty
Looking forward to the rest of the build and the machine making chips!
Marty
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Re: 2-axis Sharp knee mill revival - Now with 50% more axes!!
Talking of Z axis, Bridgeport etc, here's a Z axis bracket for my BP conversion (version 2). Made on my Shizuoka machine with Centroid Acorn controls, SEM motors, Dugong drives and using Fusion toolpaths yesterday. Came out well for a 35 year old machine.
This should form the basis for a self-contained assembly comprising the motor, belt drive, thrust bearing and ballscrew with minimal impact on the machine head itself (requiring just 2 tapped holes).
Looking forward to seeing how your 3rd axis comes along!
This should form the basis for a self-contained assembly comprising the motor, belt drive, thrust bearing and ballscrew with minimal impact on the machine head itself (requiring just 2 tapped holes).
Looking forward to seeing how your 3rd axis comes along!
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Re: 2-axis Sharp knee mill revival - Now with 50% more axes!!
Well Done!
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Re: 2-axis Sharp knee mill revival - Now with 50% more axes!!
Looking forward to seeing chips come from this!FlySox wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2019 7:58 pm Overdue for an update, and the big news is I’ve successfully added “Z” to my formerly 2-axis conversion! I’ve joined (most of) the rest of you in the *t h i r d d i m e n s i o n* (meant to be read with an echo effect).
Next update: Installing an Elrod Z-axis kit, and mounting the motor to it. Spoiler alert: installing the Z-axis kit was not as fun as it really should have been, but I won’t dwell on that, having vented about it here.
Clay
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Re: 2-axis Sharp knee mill revival - Now with 50% more axes!!
Part looks great. Still think there is a market for a good turnkey Z axis mount.
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Re: 2-axis Sharp knee mill revival - Now with 50% more axes!!
I agree with you, Marty. If I'd been able to find an affordable solution rather than make one myself, I'd have done so. But the Elrod-type kits cost twice what I paid for my machine, so were never on the cards. I guess I'm trying to develop something that is professional quality but doesn't break the bank, rather like the Acorn itself, which is opening up the CNC world and its exciting possibilities to the likes of us.
If you look at the worst case loads on the main components, there's really no need for massive cast parts, which helps on the cost and complexity front for starters. I'll see how I get on here and if it looks viable, perhaps there may be the possibility of making it more widely available.
If you look at the worst case loads on the main components, there's really no need for massive cast parts, which helps on the cost and complexity front for starters. I'll see how I get on here and if it looks viable, perhaps there may be the possibility of making it more widely available.
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Re: 2-axis Sharp knee mill revival - Now with 50% more axes!!
WOW, that is truly a work of art! It gives wannabe machinists like me something to aim for.
How long did that part take to run?
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Re: 2-axis Sharp knee mill revival - Now with 50% more axes!!
It took something like 25 minutes for the bottom operations and perhaps 20 for the top side operations, plus about 10 mins for the cover (not shown). The machining time estimate in Fusion is grossly pessimistic (by a factor of ~2) for some unknown reason (I've usually found it to be fairly accurate) but as you can see, the main roughing and finishing operations for the bottom side are shown in this vid and take about 17 minutes, rather than the 38 mins estimated. That left the chamfering and drilling ops which were fairly quick. I'd actually reduced the feeds and speeds from what I'd previously been using but suspect that was over cautious.
https://youtu.be/cYXmZaHI6FM
What I really need is an air blast nozzle to clear the swarf, so I don't need to waste my life doing it manually. The coolant reservoir in the base of the machine is far too small for high flow rates and I need to refit the guard to contain the stuff flying about. It hurts like hell. Has anyone tried using a HVLP system?
Taking the time to get the Fusion toolpaths right really pays off. Similarly, designing in all the features you need up front doesn't cost much but means you don't need to keep thinking "if only I'd thought of that..." afterwards.
https://youtu.be/cYXmZaHI6FM
What I really need is an air blast nozzle to clear the swarf, so I don't need to waste my life doing it manually. The coolant reservoir in the base of the machine is far too small for high flow rates and I need to refit the guard to contain the stuff flying about. It hurts like hell. Has anyone tried using a HVLP system?
Taking the time to get the Fusion toolpaths right really pays off. Similarly, designing in all the features you need up front doesn't cost much but means you don't need to keep thinking "if only I'd thought of that..." afterwards.
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Re: 2-axis Sharp knee mill revival - Now with 50% more axes!!
This is truly an inspiration, particularly since you have a setup very similar to mine. Something for me to aspire to!